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And waitforthebite, your comment about Alice and not being upset. Oh god, me too. I totally knew she was coming back. And it wasn't even that much of a difference once Alice was gone because Alice was like, barely in it. That was a bit annoying - she was like, a main character in the first three and then BAM she's just not there for most of the last book. *Sigh* Whatever. I know people who CRIED when she left. I heard about that and I was like "Um, why? Couldn't you TELL she was coming back?"
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The fact that she left just flew over my head. I didn't even care. I love Alice tons, but I was probably more sad at the fact that Jasper left with her.
How many lines did Jasper have in BD?
(It's like he's the Movie!Esme of Breaking Dawn, but then again, how many lines did Esme have?)


Also, I feel bad for you since the only thing you really wanted was E/B love, and you really didn't even get that...
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Yeah I know. I was in the book store reading about these demon babies and I was just like "what the heck? Where is Edward and Bella? Give them to me darn it!" And I got them in the second chapter (which I loved, because it was Edward and human!Bella.) And the wedding was okay and stuff. And I was excited for their wedding night... I was satisfied with the outcome. But then the part that got me upset was when he asked Bella if she was ready to become immortal. And then she said something like, "Actually, I think I want to stay human for a little while longer... as long as we can keep on doing this."
I could almost rip Bella's hair out. Sure, I wanted Bella to stay human (I mean, c'mon, look at my username) but seriously, how rude to your husband.



I was also upset that Edward and Bella didn't even go to the freakin' meadow. How lame. I wish they went. I mean, the meadow was in all the other books. It wasn't even mentioned in BD.
and does Bella even wear her bracelet from Jacob?
Or would that be too creepy to wear around Renesmee?
>.<

I need more E/B love. Pre-pregnancy.
I actually find it funny how the other day I saw a piece of fanart, and it bothered me so much that there was a ring on Edward's finger. I guess it reminded me of BD.... there's no such thing as a "rob effect" here.

I feel bad that I don't like this book more than I wanted to. (why can't I love this book? I want to love it so much but I just can't! *sobs*)

As for the, "don't burn return" campaign. I do not support that whatsoever. It's sad that people wish to hurt Stephenie. I don't want to hurt her. She is an amazing writer, with lots of talent and great book ideas. It's just that, I'm not going to love every single thing that she writes.

imprint122 wrote:


Personally, I think some of you are ripping Breaking Dawn apart piece by piece, searching for its flaws. For example: Twilight7322, you say that the pregnancy was way too long because both Bella and Edward were in pain, and you do not like their pain. Yet you also say that New Moon is your favourite book. Come on -- what is pain if it is not the separation of Edward and Bella? You did not like Renesmee's birth. But here's a review on a life lesson we all know. Sex + no protection = pregnancy. Bella and Edward had no idea that they could even concieve, so they went ahead -- woohoo, we have a baby. Bella felt connected to 'her little nudger' (must you be reminded?) and SM led up to that gradually. Of course she was going to love her baby -- if she hadn't, then BD would not have been the happy ending book it now rests as, and I'm positive that there would be even more claims that Breaking Dawn was not exemplary.

Also: you say that SM 'got her money.' Was that meant to be offensive? I'm pretty sure Stephenie is not writing this for the money -- maybe for the enjoyment of her fans. "personally, i wish she wouldve taken more time on this she might of come to her sences and re-wrote something better" ??? That's not fair. That's trashing SM, and if you find that Breaking Dawn was so incompetent, so mediocre, why do you spend your time creating havoc? Just leave it alone.

NedraLynnCullen, IronGiant Mobile, Cullenist among others, I give you a standing ovation. =)

Ok ok ok hold it right there. I definatly wasnt looking for the flaws they were just there and i couldnt ignore them, i was so excied to love this book just as entirally as i loved the other 3, but i just couldnt. Alright sure it was a little sad to have to read the parts with out edward in new moon but the reason why i loved it was because of how much she still loved him and how happy she was when she saw him again, even if she might die just seconds later. Where was this type of love in breaking dawn? Because if you found it id love to see it because i never read even more of a slight hint of it. Yes bella did get pregnant but comon no one else believed that it was possible. Especially since nothing on him can ever change and he has venom coated teeth which no human has. Also, hello, how has it stayed useable for over 100 yrs? Yes yes yes motherly love and all that but still shes only 18!!! I dont know anyone who would want to keep a half vampire-human baby that had the potential to kill you from the inside out, where your chances of living were practically less than 99%. Please BD could of had a happy ending that more people would of loved reneesme wasnt the key point to this entire series, it could of been just fine with a different plot line.

It wasnt meant to be offensive and i dont see why your taking it to heart, did you write it? I know that we all care for SM and what shes been wrighting but like ive been saying, im not just going to love what ever she writes, and i dont see why i and people who didnt like the book to the "t" are being told to just accept it or just read it again or well what ever else is being said. I think SM likes the money aspect too, i dont think she'd agree to just being happy with her fans reactions and giving the book away. Im not "creating havioc" or "trashing it", your the only one who has commented on my opinion of the book. It was kind of mediocre, it did get a D but i would of givven it like a C - ish. Im not just going to sit here quietly and deal with it because you tell me to, we all have rights to our opinions so im just expressing mine.

Oh and thanks KATI not KATIE for backing me up.

Alright, back up.
This is becoming very heated and argumentive (how could it not? =P) and I hope that that wasn't anyone's intent. =/
Kati, I'll be honest with you:

KATI not KATIE wrote: Lord knows I want men.

That cracked me up. Seriously, it was hilarious =) I guess, in a way, that it all comes down to the way you view things.

A personal opinion only, but I don't think I'll ever be married before 25 -- but that's an opinion for me. Other girls are free to do whatever they want. And maybe because I look at the characters from Twilight as real, and not just fictional things that SM created, but to me, Bella has that same opinion. And it is almost exclusively that opinion (that the characters are very real to me) that helped make this book good. I look at Bella's life, and see her life, not her story. So when Renesmee came, I was just like, "oh -- what's she going to do now?"
Because honestly; think back to the 2nd chapter. Edward said (this is from memory only): "Remember how Charlie thought that you were pregnant? Well, I Kind of wish you were?"
And Bella was all, "Gah." (That was one of my favourite parts, it was funny! =))
And then she was pregnant. Was she going to accept that? You remember how she thought it was impossible. We had about a pg. and a half of that, until she concluded that vamp. men are able to procreate with human women. It was a little fast, how she accepted Renesmee so quickly; but imagine, please, if she had listened to Edward and aborted the baby. Would that have really made the book better? And what would SM get for that? That she's supportive of abortions? Or if Bella hadn't gotten pregnant in the beginning... that would have given us all things that we'd wanted, things that we would've expected. You know: Bella and Edward get married, Bella and Edward have sex, Edward changes Bella in a sweet moment, where Bella anticipates him biting her... but then what? We all knew that the Volturi were going to come at some point, they had to. If Renesmee hadn't been there, what would be the point?

I'm not trying to change your opinion, I really am not. Kati, you said that the characters aren't being themselves. I agree with you -- up to a point. After the second book within BD, after Bella gets changed, i hardly recognized her anymore. She was... different? Older. And the E/B became rare... but the rest of BD was important for an ending, and imagine how large the book would've been had Stephenie written in those moments? Or if Bella had taken her slow time working up to go to J. Jenks, or something.

Twilight7322 and Kati, I'm sorry if I've offended you. That really was not what I was going for. But Twilight7322, you admit to giving the book a C, and calling it mediocre. You also say that you are not just going to sit there quietly (which is not what I'm tell you to do; I merely said that it may be more restful for everyone if things hadn't been taken so far) -- but what else are you supposed to do besides sitting there? =|

Anyway -- I loved Breaking Dawn. And, again, sorry if I said something that was offensive. Not my intention. I'm just trying to understand why you think so. =|

No hard feelings, anyone?

imprint122 that was really nice of you to appologise like you did, i didnt really deserve it so much because i was being kind of a jerk to you. I didnt intend for the conversation to get so argumentitave as it did. But yea i see your point. I just wish BD could of been more like the other 3. And like Kati said they didnt even seem like themselfs which kind of rewined the whole book for me.

i think breaking dawn was good in it's own right.
HOWEVER it didn't feel like a book from the twilight series to me. for a few reasons.

1) i thought vampires with special abilities were rare. there were like 200 of them in this book and it kind of lesened the effect

2)i have, and ALWAYS will think of bella as a clumsy oaf and very frail. so twilight for me kind of ended as soon as renesme was born.

3) you do however have to give SM some credit. What were her options? if she enderd the series at eclipse, everyone who is whining right now would be whining because they wante another book.
and if she kept bells human, she would grow old and DIE even if renesme didn't kill her . her third option was to have the voultri kill them all. end of series. take your pick what option do you like best. and if we keep discouraging her she might not write midnight sun. and being a guy i NEED to read all this from ed's POV.
~end of rant~
thank you. And goodnight

imprint122, you're right, we really did get a little TOO heated there.

For me, it's not an "age" thing to get married. I'll get married when I'm ready to get married - that's why I was okay with Bella and Edward, because I knew THEY were ready, whether Bella thought she was or not. The whole point of the series was that they were COMPLETELY in love and there was no way they'd stop loving each other. So, then, they were ready to get married. And it's the same thing for kids - If I decide to have kids, I'll do it when I'm ready. And I just don't think Bella was ready, and God knows Edward wasn't ready. I mean, COME ON, he FREAKED out.

I give that you have a good point - what else could she have done? I was assuming something to do with Jacob, to reconcile that. Fix it, through imprinting. (God, why on Renesmee? WHY??!?!?!?!?!!) I figured that it would be an issue of wolves vs vampires, and that that would be the major issue - Jacob and the pack. I like to think she could've thought of something, ANYTHING, else really, but I guess there weren't necessarily too many options. But, to put my point in perspective, months before Breaking Dawn came out, I wrote a fanfiction about Bella and Edward telling Charlie about their engagement, and I honestly think that I wrote the scene better then Stephenie did. (Given, I wrote it from Charlie's point of view, so it would be different. But I DO think it's weird and sad that I like my own writing better then hers. It feels wrong to me.) My scene and her scene were almost identical - the main difference was that Charlie was already home in mine. I even wrote in the pregnancy thing, because I thought it would be FUNNY. I mean it - I thought it was hilarious, something that would never happen in a million years. (I've realized that I truly am partially psychic. The day that Rob was announced as Edward, my friend and I were talking about Cedric Diggory and Twilight in the same conversation that morning. It was disturbing.)

As for the whole "body fluids" thing, it just annoys me that she said before that there was just venom, and now everyone's like "SOME body fluids!" It's just so inconsistent. That's one thing I always hate when it's wrong - continuity. I heard a theory about his sperm basically being venom and that was the reason Renesmee was half-vampire, and I've decided I'm going to believe that because it makes sense and isn't a stupid cover-up for past errors.

Kati, you said that the characters aren't being themselves. I agree with you -- up to a point. After the second book within BD, after Bella gets changed, i hardly recognized her anymore. She was... different? Older.

The answer to that is, yes, she was acting older. Except that started the moment she realized she was pregnant. Even though everybody hated the whole SexCrazed!Bella, I though it was realistic and almost expected. It was a bit weird and annoying... but still, she's eighteen years old. AND HORNY. Of course she wants to have tons of sex with Edward - he's hot! But then the MOMENT she realizes she's pregnant, she's like, thirty all of a sudden. Having sex with Edward, being with Edward, loving Edward, it all takes the backseat to her baby. You see? She went from acting like a totally normal teenager to acting like a mature adult in about five pages. What? In those fives pages, twenty years do not pass. About three days do. That's what I hate so much - Bella stops acting like a teenager. It doesn't matter if her mom thought she was super-responsible and smart and stuff. Teenagers react like total spazzes. No eighteen-year-old would be like OMG YAY BABY. None, unless it was planned, which Renesmee WAS NOT.

waitforthebite, I don't know about the whole "don't burn return" idea. I kind of like it. I don't exactly like the whole "LET'S HURT HER FEELINGS" thing, I don't agree with that. But there really aren't many ways to show her just how upset some people are. In a way, I applaud the people who actually went through with Don't Burn Return, because it's telling Stephenie that she disappointed people. I think she needs to know that after what she published... I don't know. I'm not returning my copy, though. I may hate it, but I'm keeping it just for the set.

imprint122, thanks. =]
I'm so mad that people are sitting here bad mouthing BD when they are "such lovers" of SM work. >_>

KATI not KATIE wrote:waitforthebite, I don't know about the whole "don't burn return" idea. I kind of like it. I don't exactly like the whole "LET'S HURT HER FEELINGS" thing, I don't agree with that. But there really aren't many ways to show her just how upset some people are. In a way, I applaud the people who actually went through with Don't Burn Return, because it's telling Stephenie that she disappointed people. I think she needs to know that after what she published... I don't know. I'm not returning my copy, though. I may hate it, but I'm keeping it just for the set.

Well yeah, I suppose if they are unsatisfied than they have the right to return their book. I couldn't possibly return mine. It's a part of a set. And that set just so happens to be the Twilight saga, which I love ever so much. Only, BD isn't my favorite of the series. It had so much potential to be the best in the series. Oh well. I'm over it.
All I really needed was someone to talk to, who agreed with me on certain parts of the book. Thanks Kati for venting with me. ;] My other friend who read the book doesn't have an opinion. She likes the sense of closure for the series. (she's not a huge fan of the series, but she likes it enough)


NedraLynnCullen, I hope you aren't implying that people who didn't like BD that much aren't "true fans." It saddens me when people make those assumptions. Hopefully I just misinterpreted your comment, and if I did, I'm sorry in advance.

imprint122, You're comment was great. Thanks. I can see how you find the importance in Nessie and other events, and I feel a bit more open minded towards the character... a bit. But anyway, thanks for not biting people's heads off. It's nice to hear from people whom liked the book and stay open towards other people's opinions. :3

ok think of it this way.
did you like the other 3 books more than you disliked this one?
because if you return it just to spit in SM's face you are saying that you wish she had never written ANY of the books. and come on, for the love of GOD, you are in a freaking fan club/forum. so stop whining and enjoy the other 3 books. and if you hated this one more than you loved the other THREE, than you can feel free to do what ever. i feel bad for SM she wrote these fantastic books, introduced the world of Edward, Bells, Jacob, Carlsile, emmett, roseale, alice, jasper, charley, billey and the list goes on. yes ill admit i liked it better when she acted her age HOWEVER i became a parent at the age of 18 and it was an accident, but i WAS happy. I helped create human life. And yes, I do act 20 years older than i am for the most part. so that part i beleive is/can be true. it all depends who it is happening to

im in the middle..... it was a good book.. yeah sure... but not the best.... some parts REALLY REALLY upset me.... i mean i was thinking Stephanie Meyer could have done soo much better...

imprint122 wrote:Do you know what I just realized?

I realized that we are all partially crazy (no offense to anyone, of course). Twilight really does have us hooked. I mean, instead of going and doing something productive (like maybe helping my Mom start dinner) I'm over here... and somehow, that's okay, I LOVE this! =)

emmetthebrute (Nick?), you make an excellent point; I've never thought of it that way before, and it really eases things up on the book, even though I'm pro-BD through and through. Thanks, anyway. As a saga (all FOUR books), it still remains at the top of my list, there's almost no comparison. Again, thanks for intervening.

NedraLynnCullen, you're welcome =) I just wish that I'd made my opinion clear in another way than I had in my first comment, that was unnecessarily critical. I just wrote it out without pausing to try and empathize with other people's opinions, and that was pretty uncalled for. Twilight will be the death of me =|

waitforthebite, THANK YOU! That's a really nice thing for you to say, I just hope I redeemed myself. Lasting first impressions, and all =D And I really did get where you were coming from -- BD was written differently than the first 3, and that, I think, took a little while to get used to (I read the book twice, within one week of each other )

Kati -- your psychic thing, that's pretty cool. I hope you're right about it =) And I do understand your point, about the whenever-you're-ready matter -- but I don't think that Edward wasn't ready to have a kid, per se. I think he freaked out because it was hurting Bella. From the beginning, it was very unnatural. But one thing that I am truly disappointed in -- I wanted Edward and Nessie to have more father-daughter time. It was hard to truly think of Edward as a dad... I mean... it's Edward. But otherwise, his actions were pretty explained to me. I dunno... =S Personally, I thought that sex-crazed Bella was hilarious! It's like, 'do me NOW, Edward! No negotiations!" But, I cannot identify with how Bella reacted when she found out that she was pregnant with Renesmee -- until I have a kid myself, I'll never be able to defend or offend her.

I think the main issue here is that Bella became a vampire. Before BD, I wanted her to become one sooo bad. Then, Edward wouldn't hold back, and she'd stop underestimating herself. But when she did change, it was like... whatever happened to the Bella we all know and love? The physical parts, I did not mind. But her thoughts changed BIG TIME. I learned to accept that though, because she's practically invincible. That's got to have some impact on her thoughts. I think that I'm gonna go and open Eclipse for some Edward/Bella love...
My stance is still unchanged, however. I LOVE BD... and now I'll look forward to Midnight Sun. =) Btw... I read somewhere that SM is going to write an Alice/Jasper story... true or false??

Twilight will be the death of us all. Every spare moment we get is spent on here anymore. =] We are totally and utterly hopeless to the lure of SM and her Twilight Saga.

NedraLynnCullen wrote:Just because Edward is a vampire doesn't mean he can't produce sperm. That was never stated in the books. But still, I understand how it can be confusing. My mom went on a rant about how vampires can't get anyone pregnant. Long story on that ranting. But anywho. Like I said to my mom, the female vampires can't get pregnant due to the never aging thing. And in order to give birth it involves aging 9 months for the baby to grow and develop. But male vampires apparently, as shown with Edward, can cause human females to be pregnant. Apparently the male vampires are still giving off sperm but because it's almost always with a female vampire the sperm is never obvious because it's a female vampire, and they can't age so pregnancy isn't an option.
Long rambling, but there's your answer lol.

well thanks, but it is really confusing... i just figured that since they don't age either, don't males also need to change in order to be able to reproduce? but i guess i'll be able to wrap my head around it, but thanks alot, it helps clarify.....

marisal wrote:

NedraLynnCullen wrote:Just because Edward is a vampire doesn't mean he can't produce sperm. That was never stated in the books. But still, I understand how it can be confusing. My mom went on a rant about how vampires can't get anyone pregnant. Long story on that ranting. But anywho. Like I said to my mom, the female vampires can't get pregnant due to the never aging thing. And in order to give birth it involves aging 9 months for the baby to grow and develop. But male vampires apparently, as shown with Edward, can cause human females to be pregnant. Apparently the male vampires are still giving off sperm but because it's almost always with a female vampire the sperm is never obvious because it's a female vampire, and they can't age so pregnancy isn't an option.
Long rambling, but there's your answer lol.

well thanks, but it is really confusing... i just figured that since they don't age either, don't males also need to change in order to be able to reproduce? but i guess i'll be able to wrap my head around it, but thanks alot, it helps clarify.....

Yeahh me and my mom are still bound to argue over that fact. ;]