TwilightTeens

Ok i know it couldnt be everything we imagined cause no ones the same and such. And i know that people are mad at stephenie or what ever about the book and trying to return it and all. But i really wanted to know this, even though im probably gonna get mad at. Was i the only one who didnt absolutley love the book? I mean comon some parts were kinda stupid. Now dont get mad please im just saying my opinion cause from all the other threads it seems like everyone loved it or hated it not somewhere in the middle. Well im in the middle cause i loved some parts and hated others and i wanted to know if i was the only middle person out there. So tell me what u did or didnt like or if i just didnt read it right and thats why i didnt like it (but i did read it with out expectations or as little expectations as i could so thats not the problem)

I'm definitely, completely, totally on the 'love it' side.

What parts did you think were "stupid"?

Yeah I'm on the love it side. What I wanted to happen, happened. Bella got changed and they got married, AND had a baby. That was a bonus for me. Lol.

I would like to know why people thought it was so bad? Or parts of it...from what I've read I'm not really getting explanations. Just that people didn't like it.

Well when i was reading it seemed like there was gonna be an epic battle with the Voulturi and the other vampires, then they just left. And i thought that it was way too quick of a solution between bella and jake, i mean comon it was over in like 2 seconds after he wouldnt let her go for 2 whole books, and everyone was ok with it? It seemed like edward was being a complete push over durring the whole thing, he never even questioned her about anything not even once. Wouldnt you think it was weird if u walked in on someone randomly burning one of their books for no apparent reason and al he asked was why then nothing. When she went to see J he was like oh... ok? The whole book was filled with half fast fixes and i couldnt find alot of interest, even when i loved the other 3. And i loved renesseme but that whole part seemed a little odd to me.

I loved the book but there are a few things that could be different
1) The voultri fight could have.............happened i was waiting for it through out the whole book, come on a little "blood shed" wouldn't have ruined anything. I would have even been happier.

2) there could have been even 2 books in there, the part untill bella vamped out and after, and made it even longer. then everyone would be even HAPPIER^^ just think 1 more book

3)jacob should be the main charactor for a bit longer. Being a twilight guy I realy enjoyed it through a dudes perspective

WELL im also in the middle i loved isle esme and the whole honey moon stuff. but i agree with what someone wrote up ther ^. like i was waiting for the volturi and the cullen + other clans to have a war i was so pumped and then it didnt happen and i was so.. DISSAPOINTED! like i heard around that the editors told stephenie to tone down the violence.. and she must of taken it all out cos i detected no violence what so ever... i wanted a war! LMAO. and im a girl. if anyone was wondering. i like action. but i love renesme ..eventually. and um yeh i wish emmett had a bigger part in the 4th book aswell. he's a entertaining character. but overall out of a 5 star rating i give it 3 and half stars to 4 stars. twilight will remain my favourite <3

i'm on the love it side, though i might have to say that someone if the bits dragged on too long.

i did wish the wedding to have more details! but srsli.. i didn't mind it that much.

i was expecting a large fight, but then i changed my mind, considering that the Volturi are the royal family... and i mean, who would kill off the royal family! that would be terrible.. i guess SM did this was because she wanted us to think about it more, like letting our imaginations go wild kind of thing.

i'm on the love it side. and i found nothing in the book that bothered me. especially after i read it over. things started making sense.

but that's just the way i interpreted it. we can't all see and interpret a book the same way. and i think the people that think more like stephenie loved it.

and those that didn't felt uncomfortable. which is natural we can't all be on the same wavelength.

it's called having different taste. it doesn't mean the book is bad. just that it doesn't appeal to your particular preferences.

yea i definatly agree with the part about wanting more emmet. i wanted the war too but then as i was reading and i looked at the pages there were left i realised that even if there was a fight it wouldnt be that good because it wouldnt be detailed or long, but im sure no one would've complained if there was more pages. (excpet maybe the editors or the printing peoiple) the wedding was one of my favorie parts, i wanted that to be a bit longer. i didnt exactly love how there was so much of a jake part, i do like the jake part but i just dont think it should've had so much about bella being pregnant cause it made me sad to read about edward in so much pain and bella in pain too. my favorite had to be new moon, twilight is my close runner up.

Well I didn't absolutely love the book but I lean more to that side than not liking it...

I think it was crucial for the book to show Edward being in so much pain at first because Bella was sacrificing herself for their child. Jake needed to have his own little part to set up for the resolution in the end, I think anyways.

I also think that if SM put all that the readers wanted into BD, it would've been way too long and I think all of us would read it without hesitation... her publishers on the other hand, I don't think would've liked that at all... lol...

Rachel Rose

I'm sorry to say that Breaking Dawn DID give me everything I wanted, but in the worst way possible. If you've ever read the Mortal Instruments series, there's a quote from the 2nd one, City of Ashes, that just makes me laugh at the irony. It's something like "They'll give you everything you want, but in a way that makes you wish you'd never wanted it in the first place."

I wanted Jacob to imprint. Unfortunately, he did.

I wanted Bella and Edward to have sex. No details whatsoever, not even written in a fairly clean, classy way, just fade to the next morning. The sex also results in my least favorite character ever.

At least their wedding wasn't too disappointing. I mean, I still don't know what Edward was wearing, or what the house looks like, but I made it all up in my head so that I have a pretty image. He wears white in my mind, in case anybody cares. I doubt it...

I feel like I'm mostly alone in the decision that Renesmee basically ruined the series. I like to think that the ENTIRE series isn't ruined, but I can't think about any of the series without remembering Breaking Dawn. It's depressing, really.

I guess it might just be my opinions about life - that getting married early, and ESPECIALLY having kids early is basically THE stupidest thing anyone can do. (If you did/want to have kids early, go for it. It's your decision. I just never would, because I honestly believe that kids ruin your life. They're really expensive and basically take up all your time. I wouldn't have one until I was at least twenty-nine or thirty. Just my opinion.) I know, I know, Bella and Edward love each other, blah blah. I supported their marriage. I DO NOT support the baby. I feel like Stephenie's sending out this little message of like, "get married early and get pregnant, because everything will turn out fine". I don't like that... I feel like it's the wrong message to send to teenage girls. (Yes, yes, TwilightMoms, I know. But it's a YA book, technically.) I mean, not everybody will have a filthy rich husband who can just support you and the baby right away. I mean, obviously Stephenie literally telling people to do that, but through her words I see this message that is just like... imprudent.

It also sucks A LOT that her OLD message - that you have to make sacrifices to get what you want most - was just abandoned. Bella was going to lose her family, her friends, Jacob, her humanity, and, for a while, her sanity basically. And guess what? She got EVERYTHING. Doesn't anyone else find that INCREDIBLY lame? She didn't have to lose ANYTHING. She got a baby, her father, her best friend, her husband, and an entire other family who all love her. She didn't even like, care about being thirsty. It was terrible and inconsistent. I mean, it was such a powerful message, but she just decided not to continue it. I was seriously looking forward to blood-crazed Bella. Really. (For the record, though, I admit that it would be really difficult to write Bella being blood-crazed for like, a year. That would have been a pain in the butt for Stephenie, so I'm slowly letting that part go.)

It also bothered me that... Bella barely seemed to be in love with Edward the way she used to be. Once she WAS pregnant, everything was about the baby. EVERY LITTLE THING. I mean, even once the baby was born and Bella was a vampire, there was no passion between Edward and Bella anymore. It was so unbelievably depressing. I wasn't even like "ZOMG EDWARD I <3 CHU!!!!!" anymore. I was like "Edward's totally lame in this one." The best part Edward had in the entire novel was when he was totally flipping out internally about the baby. (THAT was great.) I mean, Stephenie threw in these little comments to remind us that they were supposed to be in love. Like the shield thing, and Edward being "the brightest light" inside it. Honestly, with the rest of the book, it was inconsistent. (But then again, the book was inconsistent with the series.) If it had been going with the book, Renesmee would've been the brightest light. But Stephenie had to REMIND us that Edward and Bella are in love. Or, at least she had to remind me, and I didn't like that I had to be reminded.

But I guess there were parts that redeemed the book. Not completely, of course, but the vast majority of the book was basically PAINFUL to read, but there were points that got me through it.
-Kate and Garrett (That was amazing. I loved it.)
-Alice running away (Dude, best plot twist ever.)
-The Lack-Of-A-Battle Scene (It was tense, and I liked that.)
-THE ROMANIAN VAMPIRES!!!! LOL

I know everyone's totally annoyed about the whole Almost Battle, and I admit I am too, but when I reread it, the Almost Battle was pretty good. Irina dying was awesomely sudden, and Marcus is basically THE funniest character ever. (Marcus: "Dewd, I am sooooo bored...") I was sad that Aro wasn't being all "On Drugs" in this one. He was still bizarre and silly, but he didn't laugh weirdly in this one. (Although, the whole throwing his arm around Edward's shoulders was pretty awesome.)

But yeah, as a whole, the book was disgustingly disappointing. I suppose it's partially my fault for expecting so much (and yet, so little) from it. But I can't put all the blame on me. It is DEFINITELY partially Stephenie Meyer's fault for... making Renesmee exist... *Sigh*

But it's just my opinion I guess. I've thought about it a lot though, as you can see...

I agree so much with you, it's not even funny.


I'm sorry to say that Breaking Dawn DID give me everything I wanted, but in the worst way possible.
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Truthfully, I only wanted more Edward and Bella love. I never wanted her to be a vampire, because I thought that she'd be different then human Bella. Meaning, that she'd be blood crazed. When she became a vampire she was worse than I could possibly imagine. :<

I wanted Jacob to imprint. Unfortunately, he did.
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*nod* *sob*

I wanted Bella and Edward to have sex. No details whatsoever, not even written in a fairly clean, classy way, just fade to the next morning.
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I personally think they had too much! Bella became hungry for sex.

The sex also results in my least favorite character ever.
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:< Renesmee = my least favorite character

At least their wedding wasn't too disappointing. I mean, I still don't know what Edward was wearing, or what the house looks like, but I made it all up in my head so that I have a pretty image. He wears white in my mind, in case anybody cares. I doubt it...
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I see black, but even then I didn't pay attention because Edward was so gorgeous in my mind. I felt like I was marrying him. XD


I feel like I'm mostly alone in the decision that Renesmee basically ruined the series. I like to think that the ENTIRE series isn't ruined, but I can't think about any of the series without remembering Breaking Dawn. It's depressing, really.
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You are certainly not alone. I can't even attach this book to the trilogy that I love.

It also sucks A LOT that her OLD message - that you have to make sacrifices to get what you want most - was just abandoned. Bella was going to lose her family, her friends, Jacob, her humanity, and, for a while, her sanity basically.
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Which I was totally looking forward to. Bella should've lost something...


And guess what? She got EVERYTHING. Doesn't anyone else find that INCREDIBLY lame? She didn't have to lose ANYTHING. She got a baby, her father,
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Well, I suppose Charlie will die eventually... but what about Renee? I thought she loved her.



her best friend, her husband, and an entire other family who all love her.
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Not to mention, money, a freakin nice car, and she's gorgeous.

She didn't even like, care about being thirsty. It was terrible and inconsistent. I mean, it was such a powerful message, but she just decided not to continue it. I was seriously looking forward to blood-crazed Bella. Really.
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I wanted her to be blood crazed, because for so long have the Cullen's been watching after Jasper, saying that he's the weakest/least willing to drink animal blood. And I wanted Jasper and Bella to work together through their weaknesses. But no, Bella is perfect. Jasper is still considered weak. *hugs Jasper*

It also bothered me that... Bella barely seemed to be in love with Edward the way she used to be. Once she WAS pregnant, everything was about the baby. EVERY LITTLE THING.
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Bella was in love with her spawn.

I mean, even once the baby was born and Bella was a vampire, there was no passion between Edward and Bella anymore. It was so unbelievably depressing. I wasn't even like "ZOMG EDWARD I <3 CHU!!!!!" anymore. I was like "Edward's totally lame in this one." The best part Edward had in the entire novel was when he was totally flipping out internally about the baby. (THAT was great.)
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I love angsty Edward.
But I miss his cheesy one-liners that made me swoon.


But I guess there were parts that redeemed the book. Not completely, of course, but the vast majority of the book was basically PAINFUL to read, but there were points that got me through it.
-Kate and Garrett (That was amazing. I loved it.)
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Garrett and Kate ftw.

-Alice running away (Dude, best plot twist ever.)
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Y'know, I actually wasn't upset that Alice left. I barely noticed a change in plot because I was too busy loathing Nessie

-THE ROMANIAN VAMPIRES!!!! LOL
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I love them.

and Marcus is basically THE funniest character ever. (Marcus: "Dewd, I am sooooo bored...")
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Marcus saved me from lack of action.
They confirmed that Nessie wasn't dangerous like, 5 times. >.<

I was sad that Aro wasn't being all "On Drugs" in this one. He was still bizarre and silly, but he didn't laugh weirdly in this one. (Although, the whole throwing his arm around Edward's shoulders was pretty awesome.)
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Aro was lacking flamboyantness.

But yeah, as a whole, the book was disgustingly disappointing. I suppose it's partially my fault for expecting so much (and yet, so little) from it. But I can't put all the blame on me. It is DEFINITELY partially Stephenie Meyer's fault for... making Renesmee exist... *Sigh*
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I am actually making myself find the best parts of the book so my dislike is dwindling slightly, but really... I was crying in the book, and I think it was because of lack of sleep and disappointment.
(I actually saved my Entertainment Weekly with the review because I thought it was fairly accurate.) They gave it a D, when I would've given it a C- .

It's disappointing that people are DISAPPOINTED with the book. First off, you all should appreciate that stephanie even wrote a series like this. What's the big deal anyway? I know people have their own opinions and "expectations" of the book but really? chill, it's just a fiction book. Stephanie wasn't made to write this book the way some people want it and i dont blame her.

ITS HER BOOK, let her write out the way she wants to end it. & if you guys seem to not like it then don't go whining about how some parts sucked so bad. What kind of a twilight fan post things that they dislike? and still be a "fan". If you loved the twilight series you would just let it go and understand that this is something stephanie probably held onto a peice of paper until it got published and THIS is the way she wanted things to go. & i know this is a "discussion thread" and i know your supposed to discuss your feelings on the book but really it feels like a love/hate situation not much of a discusson.

At first i posted things about how i hated A LOT of parts but then i realized that if this is the way Twilight should end then this is the way it has to be. I'm not going to blame stephanie for my disappointment, just the people who expected so much.

& most of you guys are saying the other characters should be more in the book? Well hello, stephanie can't write every single word a character says or else the book would never end. and isn't it all just about bella and edward?

my last word then i'm out...

THE SEX SCENES ARENT SUPPOSED TO BE DETAILED. this is a young adult book, ok read that carefully.. YOUNG ADULT. even some 10 year olds read this and you want a more "detailed" sex scene for who knows what other ages would read this book? who know's what bella and edward might have been doing that time? what playing chess? what would you think they were doing ... that's a pretty explicit scene...


just as kati, i've thought a lot about it aswell. This is my opinion and you guys have yours. i'm not bashing anyones opinion just expressing what i believe.

Omg KATI not KATIE you are so incredable right i cant believe how everything you said was practically exactly what i was thinking. They shoule've just had you write breaking dawn. Im not really sure what else to say besides that you are sooooo rite and definatly picked out the exact parts that were wrong. I couldn't place some of what i thought was wrong but you definatly just got it all and pretty perfectly. Now that you mention it renesme did kind of screw up the whole book, i thought she was cute though. But yea i completely and totally agree with you.

Oh yea and Cyrene, its their own opinions you don't have a real point in saying there wrong or anything of the sort. I know that its your opinion too and im not saying that your wrong either. Im just saying that its kind of rude to call them out and say that there not a real fan unless they absolutley adore SM and everything she writes in all entireity. Especially since everyone interperts things differently so its not the same reading experience for everyone, because well were not one person who thinks the same and is completely alike.

Cyrene, you are definitely right about the sex thing. It IS a YA book, so yeah, I guess the sex shouldn't be way detailed. The only thing I say there is that I wasn't expecting like, explicit language, but more like... I don't know how to explain it. Nothing blunt, like "hey we are HAVIN' SEX" but more like, "we're coming together as one and it's beautiful" sort of thing. Well, either way, it's not like I can change it.

And waitforthebite, your comment about Alice and not being upset. Oh god, me too. I totally knew she was coming back. And it wasn't even that much of a difference once Alice was gone because Alice was like, barely in it. That was a bit annoying - she was like, a main character in the first three and then BAM she's just not there for most of the last book. *Sigh* Whatever. I know people who CRIED when she left. I heard about that and I was like "Um, why? Couldn't you TELL she was coming back?"

Also, I feel bad for you since the only thing you really wanted was E/B love, and you really didn't even get that...

And I forgot about this - (I have so many issues with this book I should publish my own X_X) 2 more things:
-Maturity - Did anyone else notice that Bella was being WAY too mature for an eighteen-year-old who just got pregnant on her honeymoon? I mean, I'm not 18 yet, but if I felt a baby kicking inside me, I would not "marvel". I would freak the crap out. I would call my mom. I would cry. (I would also wonder how in the world I managed to pull a Virgin Mary, but that's beside the point...) I've read articles/reviews of Breaking Dawn when the author is older then 18, and they all basically agree with me. They said, at 18, they never would've been happy about being pregnant. Bella's just like "This is so great. BABIES!" I hate how all the female characters are like, FOCUSED on having babies. What the crap? Even LEAH! Like, Esme and Rosalie are expected to be a bit maternal, with their backgrounds. But Bella? Leah? What the heck? Why does everyone want kids early? Does anyone want anything from their lives but babies and a man? Seriously. The lack of girl power is almost disturbing. All that makes Bella's life good is her man and her baby. She doesn't have a job, never went to college, totally skipped getting an education to have kids and get married. The whole thing just makes me sick...

-Backing Up the Baby - Esme. I don't believe, reading about her character before, that she would back up Bella having the baby. She would probably respect Carlisle's position and opinion as a doctor, and she could SEE Edward's own anguish. I sort of see her being like "yes, have the baby" as sort of... Stephenie needing someone besides Rosalie to back it up. We all know Emmett only does because Rosalie does. Although, like I said before, maybe she would because of her whole "lost a baby" deal and maybe she's exhibiting the book's only moment of woman independence. Too bad it's that one, and not something I agree with. XP Whatevs, if it's that, then go Esme. If not... *Sigh*

twilight7322, the reason I didn't like Renesmee at first was MOSTLY because I don't like kids. But dude, seriously, she was totally lame and TOO CUTE. I hated that. Like, all those "aww" adorable moments to me were like "so what?" and it was just a bit annoying because you were supposed to just LOOOOOVE this cute, adorable baby, and I just wanted her gone. XP I also hate her name. Gawd, Bella and Harry Potter need to start a Baby Naming Conference. They BOTH suck. (Although, for the boy's name, at least it wasn't "Edwob Charlisle..." *Shudder*) (I also can't take credit for those (Edwob Charlisle) names - I read them online in a review. I laughed really hard.)